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 HFC M9 or KWA USP

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theprodigy
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PostSubject: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyThu Mar 27, 2008 8:26 am

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emokid
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyThu Mar 27, 2008 5:58 pm

I like both of them, but obviously I like the USP better because I have one. BUT if you get the USP, I HIGHLY ADVISE you keep the magazines full of gas at all times. Or else the O-ring will dry out and crack thus leading to the magazine leaking. I had this happen but I had it permanently fixed with some new rings and aquarium sealent( I sent it to the local airsoft store).
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyThu Mar 27, 2008 8:18 pm

I'd go KWA. That doesnt mean the M9 will be a sub-par gun though, I just dont know much about HFC. If you do get the USP just know that it isnt small as its about the same size as a DEagle just a tad shorter. If you do go M9, I'd suggest a KWA one or even a KJW blowback as I have read a large number of reviews for these M9's as I wanted one for a while and was considering my options (but I think now I need another WE 5.1). Just do a google for those two brands and I think you will find that spending a bit of extra money will be better than getting an HFC.
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fdsakiller
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyFri Mar 28, 2008 7:56 pm

GO KWA, the HFC is less reliable, the KWA usp is a great looking gun, expecially the ups.45 socom, with the flashlight/ laser attachment. The gun is fairly heavy, and is very accurate, but listen to emokid's advice
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tommyboy
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyWed Apr 02, 2008 6:10 pm

KWA all the way, they are have proven themselves to make pretty good GBB's.
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyWed Apr 02, 2008 8:46 pm

KWC or KSC makes a MK23, it's very close looking to the USP, but in .45 I've seen it for $200. My USP is freakin accurate, but needs cleaning after a while. I was firing mine once, and al of a sudden it locked up and all the gas poured out. SO I took the slide out, recoil spring, and barrel. I found a bunch of crud inside so I cleaned it out with a tooth brush and a tooth pick for the large pieces. It fired fine after I cleaned it and lubed the normal parts on it. I haven't cleaned it since, still working good.[/img]
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Alec
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyThu Apr 03, 2008 4:48 pm

KWA definitely
I also have the USP and it is great
but i havent had the magazine problems previously mentioned by emokid
and i have used other HFC gas guns and they were great for a while but are way less realible than KWA
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyThu Apr 03, 2008 10:19 pm

The MK23 is the USP, the only problems about the USP, that they are made in different lenghts, for example, The KWA USP/MK23 Socom, is a bit longer and has a flashlight attachment, when another USP has a short barrell making it a ugly short pistol. I like pistols with barrells accually longer than the grip, and some pistols are to small. If you get one, make sure its the length you like.

The HFC is a mid end brand, and gets dirty easily, Also on some of the models, they have a slide that wobbels, and a slide that sometimes unlocks itself and on its way back goes a little forward as if you were opening it
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Booligan
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptyFri Apr 04, 2008 1:32 am

fdsakiller wrote:
The MK23 is the USP, the only problems about the USP, that they are made in different lenghts, for example, The KWA USP/MK23 Socom, is a bit longer and has a flashlight attachment, when another USP has a short barrell making it a ugly short pistol. I like pistols with barrells accually longer than the grip, and some pistols are to small. If you get one, make sure its the length you like.

In both airsoft and RS, the USP and MK23 are two different guns, not just a USP with a longer barrel. The MK23 is much larger overall, uses different mags, and is designed as a primary offensive pistol, not a backup or sidearm. Now, there certainly are similarities, but control wise, firing wise, and performance wise, there are differences. I personally love MK23s, and despise standard USPs. My giant monkey claws fit better on the MK23 than on the USP Razz

If you're looking for a MK23, and you don't want to break the bank, the KJW/STTI MK23 NBB is a great choice. Less than $40, shoots quite hard and accurately, is super reliable (I've owned several, and have had no problems with them), and is deadly quiet, especially after a few simple mods that I won't go into right now. It is a NBB, but I actually prefer NBB guns over GBB, as they are more reliable, and I actually trust them as a backup.
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySat Apr 05, 2008 12:55 pm

So you say that the USP is smaller, but overall design of the gun looks the same, Booligan thanks for your help though! I was looking at the (I guess) the MK23 Socom at AEX, (I guess its a MK23 since it was bigger than the USP) and I liked it, I really dont like small guns. If you say that the MK23 looks basicly a arger version of the USP, I will look more into it, BOT


HFC is a mid quality brand, and KWA will last alot longer.
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Booligan
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySat Apr 05, 2008 1:49 pm

^Yep, the design is similar, but the frame, grip, trigger guard, etc are all much larger on the MK23. Plus the MK23 has features like a side mounted decocker, but on the NBB versions by TM and KJW, it's just molded in to the body.


Here's the size difference between the MK23 and a USP Compact
HFC M9 or KWA USP Mk23uspc

Yes, the compact is slightly smaller than a normal USP, but you can see the difference in frame design, as well as overall size.
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySat Apr 05, 2008 3:21 pm

I like the MK23 looks better
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySun Apr 06, 2008 8:22 pm

I am also looking at a USP/MK23 that has both Blowback and Silencer capabilities. Anyone got anything?
The closest things I can find are KWA's with no silencers, and TM's with silencer but no blow back.
Or if someone could find a new outer barrel for the KWA with threads for a silencer, that would work too.
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Booligan
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySun Apr 06, 2008 8:37 pm

There's the KSC version, which has a threaded barrel, but frankly, I've heard it sucks. Lots of parts are prone to breakage, although there are replacement parts available.

Frankly, for twice what a normal GBB costs, I would expect perfection...
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySun Apr 06, 2008 10:55 pm

But i thought that KSC and KWA were the same thing like you said in a different thread, so why would this be any different?
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySun Apr 06, 2008 11:14 pm

^KWA and KSC aren't exactly the same thing, they just come from the same factory.

For example: The KSC G18C comes with a plastic slide and full trademarks, while the KWA comes with a metal slide and no trademarks.

In this case, there actually isn't a KWA version of the MK23 that I know of, only the KSC version.
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PostSubject: Re: HFC M9 or KWA USP   HFC M9 or KWA USP EmptySun Apr 06, 2008 11:18 pm

Ahha, i get it now, same factory, but slightly different guns.
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