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PostSubject: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 5:21 pm

Hey dudes,
I am now stuck between these two guns. I have heard great things about both of them. I like the AK-74 because i already have an AK-47. But, the main focus is the internals and externals. According to hot spot airsoft the AK shoots 430 FPS which is crazy but may be true. THey claim they chrono all gun so it should be accurate. So how would the internals compare and also, what quality do you think the metal body of the VA would be? And also do you think i should just get an M4 because I already have an AK-47?
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 5:26 pm

Don't buy a gun due to previous guns types that you have owned, if you like AK's then buy another AK. Airsoft is just a hobby after all. I haven't heard too much about the M4, but my friends VA MP5 shoots quite hard, it has a pretty nice metal body, and it rocks the field(every one else just has E1's, JG, UTG, and other mid range quality guns).
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 5:51 pm

How much does the VA weigh? I have an AK like i said before and it is pretty heavy and gets tiring after a while.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 5:51 pm

M4 is way better

the fps isn't as high, but it has a tight bore barrel stock. The ROF is like 1100 rpm with a 9.6v. The gearbox a lot better quality. The plastic is supposed to be REALLY strong also. VA uses pot metal. (it feels good, but it scratches easy)

I'd get the M4, unless you like AKs. Which AK-74 btw? The AK-74U (short one) or the regular AK-74?
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 6:13 pm

Regular sorry i didn't make that clear.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 6:17 pm

You do know that it takes a stick battery right? The stock folds, so the battery can only go under the receiver cover. Stick batteries usually don't last that long, so you would need several for long matches.

I'd get this M4 because it can hold a large battery. (I'm going to get this gun)

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ER-GG-GR16-R4-P.htm

If you like the traditional M4, then this is great also. (I'd get full stock because it has RIS rails and it can hold a large battery)

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ER-GG-GR16-PL.htm

If you like AKs, then it's a pretty good gun, but I would rather have a longer lasting, better performing gun, over one that I like the looks of better. The VA AK-74 weighs probably around 7-8 pounds. The M4 probably weighs around 6-7 pounds. (depends on what model, because a large battery can add a couple of pounds)




It all depends on what you are looking for.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 6:46 pm

id go M4, because of the reliability, and the tightbore, but the VA AK-74, is a great gun, if you dont care about the scratches, and you clean the gun after every time you use it. (I have broken a gun before because I didnt clean the gun to often, and it jammed, I fixed it though, but the internals are sensitive, and something broke when I opened it) So if thats how it is with the VA M4, watch out.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 7:58 pm

No offense Fdsakiller.......but all mechboxes are sensitive, so you either don't know how to correctly fix a gearbox, or you just didn't do something right. Who knows, a part could have been broken.

Anyway

The G&G mechbox will last you a lot longer. I'd buy the M4, but it's up to you obviously.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 8:24 pm

Id probably didnt do something right, but I can tel you the the G&G Mechbox, is put together much better than the VA mechbox, and probably has a less chance of jamming. Also, if you like trying new stuff get the M4
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 9:52 pm

Stealthmasterairsofter14 wrote:
M4 is way better

the fps isn't as high, but it has a tight bore barrel stock. The ROF is like 1100 rpm with a 9.6v. The gearbox a lot better quality. The plastic is supposed to be REALLY strong also. VA uses pot metal. (it feels good, but it scratches easy)

I'd get the M4, unless you like AKs. Which AK-74 btw? The AK-74U (short one) or the regular AK-74?

Man I really wish you would do some more research before posting about a gun that you apparently know nothing about. the VA AK-74M is a DBoys rebrand obviously. If you knew a little about DBoys, you would know that their metal bodies are very high quality, unlike the pot metal used on the JG full metal MP5s,(what you people know as VA MP5s).

G&Gs are great guns, but so is the AK-74.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 11:39 pm

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Stealthmasterairsofter14 wrote:
M4 is way better

the fps isn't as high, but it has a tight bore barrel stock. The ROF is like 1100 rpm with a 9.6v. The gearbox a lot better quality. The plastic is supposed to be REALLY strong also. VA uses pot metal. (it feels good, but it scratches easy)

I'd get the M4, unless you like AKs. Which AK-74 btw? The AK-74U (short one) or the regular AK-74?

Man I really wish you would do some more research before posting about a gun that you apparently know nothing about. the VA AK-74M is a DBoys rebrand obviously. If you knew a little about DBoys, you would know that their metal bodies are very high quality, unlike the pot metal used on the JG full metal MP5s,(what you people know as VA MP5s).

G&Gs are great guns, but so is the AK-74.

You sure? We are talking about the FULL SIZE AK-74, not the AK-74U.

see for yourself

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_200&products_id=3141

They would have to switch the stocks.

If anything, the rebranded CYMA's

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_206&products_id=2881

Either way, I still think the M4 would be better as far as performance and internals.


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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 11:41 pm

I would have to agree that the G & G internals will be better than the VA's, but the externals on the VA will be better.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 11:47 pm

IK I would rather have a gun that I KNOW is going to be reliable and perform great than one that has stronger externals. What's the point of strong externals when the gun doesn't shoot? As long as you aren't rough and you don't drop it several times, the M4 will be a great gun.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 11:50 pm

In the end both guns have their pros and cons, VA has better externals and weaker internals, while the G&G has better internals but lesser externals. I would just get the gun style that you prefer.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 11:57 pm

I agree, you know my opinion on which gun to get.

it really all comes down on what you want
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyMon Apr 07, 2008 11:58 pm

but the G&G has really strong plastic, so the VAs externals are not that much better than the G&Gs, since the internals of the VA is much behind the G&G
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fdsakiller wrote:
but the G&G has really strong plastic, so the VAs externals are not that much better than the G&Gs, since the internals of the VA is much behind the G&G

The metal isn't a WHOLE lot stronger, but it definitely is stronger.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyTue Apr 08, 2008 12:11 am

Exactly, I dont think that I worded it well, and Stealth, for some reason we seem like to be kind of argueing the facts between each other, sorry!
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fdsakiller wrote:
Exactly, I dont think that I worded it well, and Stealth, for some reason we seem like to be kind of argueing the facts between each other, sorry!

yeah I'm sorry too

go with the VA MP5 man. When it comes time to get a better gun, you will regret not getting the VA MP5. You won't "out grow it" as quick.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyTue Apr 08, 2008 12:44 am

Stealthmasterairsofter14 wrote:


You sure? We are talking about the FULL SIZE AK-74, not the AK-74U.

see for yourself

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_200&products_id=3141

They would have to switch the stocks.

If anything, the rebranded CYMA's

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_206&products_id=2881

Either way, I still think the M4 would be better as far as performance and internals.

We are talking about neither, we are talking about an AK74M.

And it is a Dboys AK74M(S&A name "RK-05") rebrand.

The CYMA is a fixed stock, and Echo 1 would not take the time to change every stock inside the US, nor do they have connections with the CYMA factory(or at least that is what we know as of now).

Stealth, with all due respect, your the one who is misguided here, not me.


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IK I would rather have a gun that I KNOW is going to be reliable and perform great than one that has stronger externals. What's the point of strong externals when the gun doesn't shoot? As long as you aren't rough and you don't drop it several times, the M4 will be a great gun.

Stealth you analogy does not work here, KLS AEGs are very reliable, and perform quite well(battery is sub par, but that applies to most ACMs). Both guns are fine choices, honestly people this is really about what style the buyer likes best. The AK74 style, or the M4 style.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyTue Apr 08, 2008 12:48 am

E1 rebrands guns from JG, but stealth maybe is mixed up or something, but I think he gets the point.
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PostSubject: Re: VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic   VA AK74 or G&G M4 plastic EmptyTue Apr 08, 2008 12:54 am

Not exactly. Its complicated, but basically in a nut shell, Echo 1 gets their guns from the same factory JG gets their guns from. They are most likely made to different specs, thats why you see the variation between the 2.

On the other hand, they do rebrand guns from Kart(SOC16+EBR), Galaxy(MP5Ks), and DBoys(AK74U, AK74M)
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You are right, they do some mods in USA though, or thats what I have heard
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fdsakiller wrote:
You are right, they do some mods in USA though, or thats what I have heard
Nope. They don't even open the box. The gun arrives in its Echo 1 box made to Echo 1 specs from China, and gets sent immediately to the stores.
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so basicly its a JG with the E1 marks on it, or the factory it came from, it is the same quality as the cheaper alternative which is secretly the same. Sorry im not good at the lower end guns, also we are way OT
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