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PostSubject: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:10 pm

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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:41 pm

Nice expensive wall hanger. Mag cool down makes it virtually unuseable as a real skirmish piece, plus the fact that spare mags are going to cost an arm and a leg.

It has some limited potential as a training weapon, but as a game piece, there are MUCH better options.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:35 pm

If you teat it right, it might be an EXCELLENT airsoft weapon, im not going to buy it, its to expensive right now.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:33 pm

^Even if you treat it right, it's not really skirmishable in a normal game. If you burst fire it more than 5-10 rounds, the cool down slows down your bbs and the blowback becomes sluggish. Mags will be darn expensive, and only hold 50 rounds. Top it off with a nylon body and you get an overpriced wall hanger...

Now, if they made it gas in body instead of gas in mag, and made it compatible with AEG mags, I would be all for it, but, just like every other WA product I've run across, it's overpriced and not that skirmishable.

For training purposes, functionally, it would be good, better than a Systema PTW in fact, but for normal use, not impressive...
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:51 pm

I agree with Booligan unless you hardly ever fire in a skirmish its usless, but if you want blowback you could get a Guarder armalite.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:06 pm

Yeah, since I have started to agree with you that systema should start making a blowback. But the changable Cylinders, has the same takedown like a real M4. I am impressed with the WA pistols, but the cost of the mags will be a problem to me. I expect them to be around 75 each.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:21 pm

fdsakiller wrote:
I expect them to be around 75 each.
At a minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than $75. Their 1911 mags are $45 each, and in my experience, leak like there's no tomorrow. I wasn't impressed at all with my WA 1911.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:25 pm

You should try a WA M9 Chrome, that thing works like a beauty, Its A GREAT pistol, and works very smoothly, I dont like 1911s though.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:30 pm

No thanks. I don't want to spend $220+ on an all plastic gun with weak blowback and that can't use Propane without adding flow restrictors... Razz

Plus chrome guns make me want to gouge my eyes out... (unless it's my super sexy 8mm gas shotgun)
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:38 pm

Like the Deagle Leon lol

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There are some metal parts on the WA, I am looking for a good replacement because all my other GBBs, have broke somehow... because a lot of overuse, with a LOT of rounds through them. But I still cant find a worthy replacement. The WA is almost broken though. Crying or Very sad It still works ok, and I clean it every day, but its just starting to wear after 2 years.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:07 pm

What I appreciate about this gun, is not so much that it shoots 370-380 FPS, but the more realistic blowback action and that the gas itself is stored in the mag. (Unlike, say the Escort MP5 that had the gas run through a tube, similar to *gasp* paintball. Razz)

However, this design in an M4 configuration... probably not the best idea for a gas gun. Not saying I would turn one of these down given the chance, but I wouldn't really consider it as a primary weapon.

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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:07 pm

I like the fact that the gun stores the gas in the mags so when the gas cools you can change out the mag and get fresh gas.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:42 am

^The fact that it's gas in mag is a bad thing. Smaller gas tank = faster mag cooldown. You don't want to change a mag every 10 shot burst because the mag has frozen up. It would be much better if it was gas in gun, such as a larger tank in the buffer tube. Shoot, I'd buy it today if it was set up for HPA on an external tank, and if it could use AEG mags. That way you would actually be able to use it, instead of just look at it and shoot off 10-15 rounds at a time Razz

Shoot, even on redwolf's video they only load 10 or so rounds, because they know the cooldown affects it with a bigger burst than that. That way you get the nice sexy bolt lockback, and it looks good on video.

If it had a full 50 rounds, the burst would have gone like this:
tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat.tat..tat..tat..tat..tat..tat..tat...tat...tat....tat.....tat......tat......tat........tat.........tat...........tat.......hsssss as all the gas vents out from an incomplete cycle without emptying the mag of bbs, or locking back the bolt...

This is why non CO2 gas SMGs don't work that well. Anyone who has tried to skirmish with something like a KWA/KSC M11 will attest to the ROF and FPS decrease with extended bursts, due to the gas in mag cooldown. CO2 SMGs work a little better, but external HPA SMGs are the best gas SMGs, hands down.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:10 pm

Yea, but do you know how much gas the mag can hold?
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:19 pm

^Not very much. Probably only enough to fire off one and a half mags on semi, maybe a full mag using 3-5 shot bursts, with a few seconds between bursts. You are limited physically as to how large of a gas container you can make fit inside a magazine. That is why gas in gun systems are better, you can get a much larger gas container, or why external HPA systems are the best, as you can have a relatively huge gas container, plus HPA doesn't have the cool down effect like Propane or CO2.
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:28 pm

Propane cools down more effectively that green gas?
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PostSubject: Re: GBB M4A1   Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:32 pm

^No, propane cools down the same as Green gas because Green Gas IS Propane, just with lube added.
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