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PostSubject: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:38 am

OK, a person at my dads work, is selling this gun to him for a $100 since, he didnt really use it, but he has real guns, and doesnt want to "play with this" anymore, is this a good gun though?
http://www.dentrinity.com/shop/airsoft.htm

its the High Capacity Championship Special
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:32 pm

It looks good but i think it's ugly as hell.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:38 pm

But is is plastic, but is it true that these plastic guns surpass most other metal GBBS? I have heard that about WA. its more like a M1911 with a extended barrell. and a scope.....
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:33 pm

Few things about WA:
Mags will eat him alive. $45-$80 each
Plastic slide can't take GG or Propane. Metal slide: $150-$200
Replacement parts are hard to come by

But with that said, the price is good, and it's a somewhat rare model. Have him ensure that it works (on 134A, not Green or Propane), check the slide CAREFULLY for any cracks, and find out if he actually wants to use it or just have it as a wall hanger. As a skirmish piece, don't get it. As an occasional plinker, it should work well. As a wall hanger, definitely get it, especially for that price.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:48 pm

The gun is more for sporting airsoft tournaments, no not fighting, not a battle, but targeting. thats why there is a long barrell. I doubt there will be cracks, and the gun I dont know the FPS. But if WA makes probably the best internal gas guns in the world, why do they only make plastic models??
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:51 pm

Check carefully for cracks. Honestly, if you shoot 1-2 mags through it with Green Gas instead of 134A, the slide can start to crack and the internals can self destruct.

You need a flow restrictor if you want to run GG or Propane through it without the internals and externals to explode...
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:53 pm

OK thats great news... So what would you compare to a metal gun built with the same internals and accuracy as this WA, would another metal gun match? What would it be?
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:56 pm

err... A regular TM pistol would be just fine. Ive been using my glock with gg and ive had no problems.

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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:07 pm

Honestly, if he wants a hot 1911 for IPSC style shooting, my plan would be this:

Budget:
WE HiCapa 5.1 (No shorter): http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-25020/WE-Hi-dsh-Capa-5.1-Full/Detail

Scope mount: http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-28410/G%26P-Scope-Mount-Base/Detail

Reflex sight: Simple $15 one

Total: About $150

No budget:
TM HiCapa: http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-24981/TOKYO-MARUI-HI-dsh-KICK-HI-dsh-GROUPING/Detail

Metal frame: http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-25841/Limited-Edition-Freedom-Art/Detail

Metal slide: http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-27213/Guarder-Aluminum-Slide-for/Detail

CMore sight: http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-26701/CMORE-Serendipity-SL920-Speed/Detail

Total: Just shy of $800

Both will perform well, and depending on the shooter, will be pretty much even. Most quality GBB guns are quite similar in performance.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:27 pm

This may be in the wrong section, but what do you think is the absolute BEST performer of all GBBs in the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:38 pm

They all perform pretty much the same. 300ish fps, accurate out to 100' or so, etc...

GBB guns are all pretty much the same out of the box, some just have more recoil, better handling, etc...

For me, I love the WE 1911s. All metal, good performance, and cheap. I am actually doing some custom work to mine as we speak.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:01 pm

So you are doing it at the same time as you were typing, good job multi tasking!

BTW I still dont get whats so bad about a plastic gun. I mea, How will it just crack, because GG is to powerful, Im confused. But I was thinking of a New TM deagle. It is hardkick, and fun to shoot. But I dont know about the performance
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:22 pm

Yes, plastic slide guns have a tendency to break with green gas because it is at a higher pressure than 134a, and makes the slide blow back faster than it can handle. That's why they only advise that you use 134A with plastic slide guns. It won't usually break it right away, but if you do it regularly, it'll break eventually.

Some plastic slide guns can handle it, namely most Glocks, because the plastic is thicker, but on 1911 style guns, it's not a good idea.

And here's what I did to my 1911 today:





Building it into an IPSC shooter. Polished the slide rails for more efficient blowback, as well as polished the trigger internals, two tone polished the slide, and the mag bumper. Basically, I cut the trigger pull weight in half, to about 1.5lbs. I also did the hammer spring bb trick, so the recoil is a lot stronger, and the FPS jumped to 335 consistantly. It still needs a little more work, but not bad for a few hours' work.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Tue May 13, 2008 8:30 pm

FYI, the new TM GBBs (Detonics, Hicapas, 1911s, P226) can all run green gas VERY well, and for well over 1,000 rounds. WA Magna is also quite good on green. Also, the Championship Special is not a 1911, it is a 2011.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Wed May 14, 2008 4:19 pm

Just wondering, would a WE hi-capa run red gas, or propane, or would that harm the gun in any way?
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Wed May 14, 2008 5:11 pm

Don't run it on red.

Despite all their flaws, WE Guns can handle Propane (green gas) well.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Wed May 14, 2008 5:15 pm

The only experience I have with red gas is when someone that was supposed to join me to play had like a 2,000 dollar Barret .50 cal. and he put red gas in it and it shot about 500 fps with 8mm BBs but it broke catastrophically not very long after. I think it would run fine on propane though. Maybe if it had a metal slide and frame it could handle it ,but otherwise I would stay away from red gas.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Wed May 14, 2008 5:18 pm

WA looks like the WA Magna Iron match. And I believe it is the 1911, it is the full name, Western Arms High Capacity Championship Special.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Thu May 15, 2008 5:32 pm

Bronco5150 wrote:
Don't run it on red.

Despite all their flaws, WE Guns can handle Propane (green gas) well.

What do you mean, "Despite all their flaws?"
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Thu May 15, 2008 5:53 pm

fdsakiller wrote:
WA looks like the WA Magna Iron match. And I believe it is the 1911, it is the full name, Western Arms High Capacity Championship Special.

What are you talking about? The Iron Match AND the Championship special are both 2011s, not 1911s.

And, I ment that WE guns are not very good.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Thu May 15, 2008 6:45 pm

Really! Then they are very very simular, how can you tell the differences?
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Thu May 15, 2008 7:19 pm

A 2011 is a double stack configuration, normally called a "Hi-Capa". The grip and trigger guard are plastic, and are a seperate piece from the upper frame and slide.

With a 1911, there is only the frame and the slide, with the grip panels screwed into the sides.

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1911:


2011:


See the difference in grip design?

Plus, with 2011's, the mags are about twice as wide as a normal 1911 single stack mag.

Also, both are WE, and both are working great still, many many rounds later.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Thu May 15, 2008 8:28 pm

Simply put, modular double stack grip.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special   Thu May 22, 2008 3:19 am

I see thanks. I dont know that much since I was never a 1911 fan
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