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PostSubject: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptySun Apr 27, 2008 8:56 pm

OK, so now I narrowed it down, and for a GBB its either a Western Arms Championship Special, or a TM deagle. I dont know Nada about the TM Deagle, but I have heard that it is the best TM, if you know about any of this please help.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptySun Apr 27, 2008 9:07 pm

What are you going to be doing with it? Skirmish, plinking, or speed shooting competitions?
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptySun Apr 27, 2008 9:16 pm

Plinking? as in wall hanger??

Skrimish, but for an all around gun, what performs better

Is the Deagle really the true king of Metal Gas blowbacks?

And For the WA I will put on a full metal body anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptySun Apr 27, 2008 9:31 pm

^The Desert Eagle by TM is plastic, not metal. TM cannot, by Japanese law, make metal guns (with the exception of the T89).

By plinking, I meant a gun that you take out and shoot targets with, not really skirmish with.

Don't get either if you plan on skirmishing. The Desert Eagle is massive, doesn't fit in 99% of the holsters on the market, and mags are about $45 each. The WA isn't designed to skirmish with, as you said in the other thread, and mags are prohibitively expensive.

If you want to skirmish with it, get something normal sized, and with mags being easily (and inexpensively) available. FOr skirmish use, something like a 1911, Glock, or USP would be a much better choice. For plinking around, and not skirmishing, either the Desert Eagle or the 1911 you want would be good choices.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 2:00 am

But I dont mind the weight, its the performance Im looking at, personally I dont like GLocks, or 1911s. The USP and MK23 are fine. I havent found any good M9s..... but the TM deagle, is supposedly the best performer even on the field. If you dont mind the weight.

Wait so what high quality brand makes good full metal guns. I am not looking at the price. any GBB under 400 is in my range.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 8:06 am

KWA.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 2:16 pm

^Performance wise, the Desert Eagle shoots about 330 fps, just like pretty much every other quality GBB pistol. Accuracy is the same too, hitting a man at 50' regularly.

Like I said, pretty much all quality GBB pistols perform the same, so just pick one that you like. Remember though, if you want a high performing pistol, get a NBB, as the FPS, accuracy, and gas usage will be much better.

As for the brands that make all metal pistols, KWA, WE, HFC, KWC, KJW all make them, and the price is pretty good.

EDIT: The above listed brands are all GBB.


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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 6:50 pm

So you guys will reccomend getting a full metal gun though, so what brands make full metal GBBs
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 6:55 pm

^Look at the bottom of my post right above yours. I gave you a full list of manufacturers...
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 7:41 pm

Well, I mean KWA is probably the best of those, but I was trying to say which models, since I know of some plastic KWAs
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 7:42 pm

Just shop around and look. There are metal and plastic versions of most models of guns by the above listed manufacturers.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 11:33 pm

Do they make a metal Deagle, since the KWA DEAGLE is very powerful
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 11:49 pm

lol, KWA doesn't make a Desert Eagle...

KWC makes one that's metal I think, but it's CO2 powered and has a fugly extended mag.

Marushin makes one but it's hard to find.

Other than that, you're kind of stuck.

I wish you would reconsider the Desert Eagle. Once you use one in a game, you'll see how useless it really is. It's too big, uncomfortable, and hard to carry. I have freakishly giant hands and they are too small to effectively use it. There's a reason why no military in the world uses the real one... It's just not a tactical pistol, and in airsoft, isn't that what you want in a skirmish piece?
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyMon Apr 28, 2008 11:52 pm

Well, military uses it if they only use a pistol with no primary. It packs the biggist punch with a .44 magnum and a .50AE caliber round.

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OK I will reconsider it. But I have seen a youtube review on a KWA one..... I have heard bad things about the M9 Tacmaster. I like M9s, but they are not my favorite. and no company makes a good MK23, the person says the KSC MK23 SUCKS! AND THE TM is a NBB and I am easily excited by the BB action
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyTue Apr 29, 2008 12:00 am

^No, officially, no military uses the Desert Eagle. Not even Israel (like most people assume). It recoils too hard, holds too few rounds, and is far too heavy, uses too specialized ammunition, and no recognized military uses it. Now, individual users such as SEAL operators can use whatever they want, but I speak with a SEAL on a pretty much weekly basis, and he's never seen an operator with one.

In the US SOCOM, if they use a pistol as a primary, they most often use the MK23, as it is designed just to be a primary pistol. Other than that, the M9 is the military's bread and butter, but will most likely be replaced by the USP in the coming years.

As for your quest for a MK23, yes, the KSC sucks, so either get over the love of a MK23, or the love of blowback, lol.
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OK, some russian units use a Desert Eagle. Also the USP is smaller than the M9, and the MK23 should be the bread and butter imo.

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I know what you mean. My best chance for a good pistol is going with the good old M9, the boring bread and the "smart" butter.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyTue Apr 29, 2008 12:37 am

fdsakiller wrote:
OK, some russian units use a Desert Eagle.
lol, if you say so. Russians are fiercely nationalistic, and only really use Russian made weaponry. A weapon made by a pretty much non-ally nation wouldn't be on their list of weapons...

Now, SpecOps around the world can get whatever they want, within reason, but it's highly highly doubtful that you'll ever see a Desert Eagle being distributed to normal troops. SpecOps forces can buy and bring their own DE if they want one Razz

But anyways... Yes, the USP is smaller than the M9, but it can be chambered in the .45ACP round, which the military want to switch its pistols back to. The MK23 package is too big and too expensive for the average military grunt to be issued one, so they are most likely going to the USP, specifically the USP Compact Tactical, because of it's smaller size, and easy supressor attachment, another requirement of the M9 replacement.
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyTue Apr 29, 2008 1:09 am

The MK23 is easily the more like the USP's Master. It is bigger, but more affective, something you will see a SEAL using, Russians on the other hand, I meant Russion Spec Ops. I have heard. OK that was OT

So I guess my best is with a KWA USP. I really like USPs, maybe I can custom make it and turn it into a MK23
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyTue Apr 29, 2008 1:27 am

^You won't be able to turn a sandard USP into a MK23. The frame/slide/trigger/magazine is entirely different.

I think a good combo for you would be a full size KWA USP, like this:

http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-24953/KWA-fdsh-KSC-Full-Metal-KP8/Detail

Combined with a threaded barrel and silencer, and I think that will work well for you, and will look kind of like a MK23.
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Well, its still not big enough, BTW are you a MK23 Fanatic Booligan? I am.

I think to many people already have M9s and M1911s, and I am stuck thinking where are all the good Euro Guns, or the better looking guns not issued to the Army.

COD4 influences....
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^Yes, I am, lol.
I've had 5 KJW MK23 NBBs, all ended up heavily modified and sold because people are shocked at how quiet and accurate they are.

The last one I was supposed to get got lost by USPS... Not happy about that one, but I may buy another one this week.
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OK.... The TM MK23 is also very quite but it is very good. But it is a NBB
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^It also costs as much as 3 KJW MK23s, lol...
Mine, after I'm done with them, are even more quiet and accurate than the TM. I've got a few secrets up my sleeves when I work on them, lol.

Like I said, if you want a good MK23, you've got to get over the need for blowback. Kind of a bummer, I know, but if you want a gun that won't break in 1 game, gotta ditch the blowback...
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyTue Apr 29, 2008 8:05 pm

That is correct. But when they make the MK23 BB its gonna be the KING OF THE FIELD!!!

Im trying the WA Championship later today, to see how it shoots. I will tell u how. But I cant find any local place where you can buy HFC 134a gas
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PostSubject: Re: Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle   Western Arms Championship Special vs Tokyo Marui Deagle EmptyTue Apr 29, 2008 8:15 pm

^Get a duster gas adaptor and use PC duster gas. Instant 134A Smile
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