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do you use grenades/ what type?
i dont use them
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i use frag
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i use smoke
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i use another kind
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PostSubject: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:05 pm

im thinking about getting some grenades along with some mags for my G36C and im wondering what other poeple use/if they use them.

P.S. if you do use them please post the brand aswell, thanks Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:13 pm

I use Smoke Frag and Pop Grenades. Or whatever you call them. You throw them and they make a very load sound. So it gives you time to run to your next position without being heard in woodlands.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:15 pm

Yea, in local games I make my own with an Easter egg, BBs, and 2 firecrackers. It is quite effective, it scares them so much and I've gotten many kills that I would not be able to get without the grenade. I am now trying to develop a flashbang with the same basic design but instead of BBs I would use baby powder.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:36 pm

They are way more cost effective then the $60 ones. Also, after you use one of the actual airsoft grenades you have to collect the pieces; with the mine you light, throw, and forget.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:38 pm

^Good luck using any of those at an insured field. Insurance + fireworks = big no-no. Europe has it lucky in this case, as their insurance companies are more lax about pyro nades.

We use plastic dummy grenades, with a 10' kill radius. If it lands within 10' of you, you're dead, no questions asked.

I plan on getting several AI tornado grenades, as they are they only real non-pyro frag grenade I've ever tested that actually works like it's supposed to. Plus, there's no pieces to replace or track down.

The Madbull powershot grenades are looking to be excellent flashbang devices, so much so that they are getting ordered by LE departments as Flashbang trainers. 130 db of training fun!
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:08 pm

I can't afford the real grenades so the Easter egg grenades do their job for the local games, but if I went to an arena I would definitely not be able to use it partly because it's illegal in New York to even have fireworks without a special permit (like for a show). So when the cops come I hide them and hope they don't search me. They usually just kick us out of the forest/undeveloped park.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:26 pm

Sigh... That's just s little irresponsible, don't ya think?

Airsoft has enough problems as is, we don't need kids bringing illegal fireworks on an illegal field, and not being honest when the cops bust you...

Please consider another sport.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:55 pm

For the field I don't have $30 to spend a week even a month to go to an arena so I go to the local big patch of forest with a group of friends. They said that they wanted grenades but weren't willing to buy a $60 one so they eventually asked if anyone had any fireworks to buy them and I had found a few really old one and made some. they caught on and if they want me to bring one I do. otherwise they get p***** at me. Basically it boils down to everyone not having that much money (enough to buy their gun, an extra mag, and BBs) so we have to resort to other means to play together. And we all love the sport.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:31 pm

^So what happens when someone blow off a finger, or you start a fire, or the police arrest (or worse) one of you guys for playing on illegal land? The media will tell your story in such a negative light that make all of us responsible airsofters look bad.

If you loved the sport so much, you wouldn't be jeopordizing its future by breaking several laws everytime you play.

Here's an idea:
1. Stop bringing fireworks out. If your friends get mad a you, then grow up and get over it, or get new friends.

2. Go and ask the police and the national park service before you play where it would be ok for you to play. Don't just play wherever, that is how players get KILLED. Yes, killed, as in dead. What happens if a police officer is responding to a complaint of you guys playing, and isn't familiar with airsoft? He sees you pointing a gun at someone, and does what he was trained to do. He was trained to elimimate the threat, and that means putting 9mm rounds in your chest until you stop moving, i.e. are dead. If you think I'm being overdramatic, I can provide you with several times where it has happened before. Either pay the money and play at a designated field, or find out where you legally can play.

3. If you guys can't afford to play, find a new sport. Airsoft is expensive, and if you're not fiscally responsible enough to afford it, then I suggest looking into a job, or a better job.

Sorry to sound so harsh, but I get so p***** off when kids go out and do illegal stuff and bring my sport into it. I work with the CAOC, which fights anti-airsoft legislature across the US, and we have to deal with lawmakers who look at kids who play games like yours, and say, "Ban it. Airsofters are lawbreakers, and should have their sport taken away." I have had to call lawmakers and literally beg them not to make airsoft illegal in cities, because the actions of a few make the rest of us look bad. I hate those calls.

Maybe now you'll see why I'm so harsh when it comes to illegal activities in airsoft.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:44 pm

Your not being harsh and are absolutely right. I am now definitely not going to bring grenades because, well, it's illegal and dangerous. I have also wanted to contact the authorities and see where we can play so before the next time we play I'll see what I need to do to play legally. And if there is some sort of permit or something that cost money I think that everybody can chip in a little to pay it. Thanks for the advise because I have always hated the feeling of fear that the cops will come so now because of you I can do it legally and make airsofters as a whole look better. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:50 pm

Thanks Smile

Depending on your location, there may be thousands of acres of available land to play on, if you just ask. I found out locally that we had access to this huge 400 acre field, and could play whenever we wanted, as long as we put up signs stating that we were playing airsoft, and explaining that the guns were fake. The park service loves us because we use only bio ammo there, and we clean up any garbage from whoever else goes out there whenever we go. We pretty much adopted the land, and are responsible for keeping it clean, but at the same time, they said it's ok if we built bunkers out there as long as it doesn't interfere with any jeep trails or wildlife homes.

Asking was the best thing we could have done, as it basically gave us, for free, the use of a huge field, at the cost of picking up some trash.

Once again, thanks for being mature! A+ in my book!

I wish more people on this site were like you, lol...
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:04 pm

I don't know about 400 acres on long island, but I'm sure that there must be tons of places that my friends could ply at if we ask. Yea and if we make it into a kind of service project and let everyone around us know were playing we should be fine. I gotta ask my parents tomorrow if they could give me a ride to the local police station or maybe the town hall. Thanks you just made my life a LOT more easier. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:07 pm

I have called authorities and they say no for me Crying or Very sad. So we are still trying to call them and email them to get a spot. Right now we are in backyard airsoft. But whenever we call they are very rude. I doubt we get to the proper person. Since all they do is say NO! and hang up on me......

Is there a more effective way.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:13 pm

Have you tried going in person because that is probably what I'm going to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:20 pm

Nope. Do you really think thats going to be effective
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:28 pm

Well do you have any other choice. And anyway I think for some reason the face to face puts more pressure on the person your talking to to direct you to the right person because your right there in front of them and they can't hang up. With the phone they could always make an excuse and hang up, but not when your standing in front of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:35 pm

^It worked for me, but then again, I also had my CAOC business cards, and I was dressed professionally.

No offense, but make sure you don't look like a bunch of kids. Go there with a parent if you're not 18, and try to look/act/sound professional.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:41 pm

Should I where like dress pants and shoes, and a nice white collared shirt with a tie because that the closest i have to a suit. Well, my brother has one maybe i could borrow his. Also, Ill have at least one of my parents with me and I'll talk about my intentions and everything I could do for the community and for them. If I do all that then do you think they'll find me and my friends a good piece of land to play on?
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 12:01 am

^New York is wacky, but they should at least point you in the right direction. Of they don't know of any place, they'll probably refer you to the BLM, or whoever controls most of the land in the area to find out viable public land for you to play at.

A shirt and tie isn't necessary, but wouldn't hurt your cause. I went in a polo shirt and slacks, but that's because that's my normal attire Razz

Being an adult sucks sometimes, lol...

Anywho, PM me any more questions you may have, so we quit derailing this thread about grenades, lol...
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 12:57 am

erric288, thank you very much for being mature and not using the illegal grenades anymore. At a game I was at yesterday, someone called the cops. The officer shows up with his Glock drawn, and makes us all put down our guns slowly. We were playing legally, so after he checked all our guns he left and let us keep on playing, however we had been doing something illegal, it would have been a very different story.


Airsoft should ALWAYS be done legally. No the laws in your area. Idk about the city, but where I live you have to be 100 yards from any road. Make sure you have an orange tip on your gun, and NEVER point a gun anywhere near the officer. Take the mag out and hold them both above your head with your finger out of the trigger guard.

And Booligan, thank you for doing a good job of talking someone out of doing something illegal.

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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 8:41 am

well hearing this long conversation i think im just going to try to make grenades out of like baking powder and vinegar or something lotaly legal like that
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 3:39 pm

Actually, I think the pressure bombs don't really mix well with the public and someone might call about you guys disturbing the peace because I saw one of those on youtube and it was LOUD, but at least its contents are not illegal. If your going to use it do it far away from houses/roads.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 5:09 pm

well i play really really far out in the ccountry (my backyard) and there i almost no one aroud so there shouldnt be a problem
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 5:43 pm

So then I guess it's ok as long as the pressure grenade isn't too powerful because there is a lot of pressure pushing out on that bottle. You should test it first like next to cardboard and something harder to get an idea of how much power it has.
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PostSubject: Re: Grenades   Thu May 01, 2008 6:36 pm

^Keep in mind that pressure grenades are plenty dangerous in their own right. They aren's flammable, but I've seen people almost lose fingers by having a pressure based grenade explode in their hand when they weren't expecting it.

Plus, in some cities, they are illegal as well, so it's something to look at before you build one. Just be careful guys!
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