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PostSubject: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 2:06 pm

are AEG snipers bad in general or just plain horible?
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 2:24 pm

They have several issues that hinder their ability to be effective as sniper rifles.

1. Loud. They are substantially louder than bolt action rifles, which is a big problem if you are a sniper.
2. Not as accurate. I won't get into the nitty gritty details, but basically, AEGs have lots of tiny vibrations when firing, and these harmonic disturbances cause the inner barrel to do odd things, causing innaccuracy and inconsistancy. When you're making 300' accurate shots, you need your gun to be as accurate as physically possible.

There are more, but I don't feel like listing them all. Even guns like the PSG1, which are designed to be sniper rifles, aren't as effective as a well built bolt action sniper rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 3:16 pm

With the PSG1 upgraded. It is ALMOST perfect. The one problem is that you can not shoot rapidly on semi. It will make bullets go off. I dont like the bolt action style. I dont like cocking. Taking your eye off the target. If I didnt mind I would recommend settling in with a Tanaka Type 96. I believe the Gas bolt action snipes rule the field.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 4:00 pm

^Only problem with the gas bolters is consistancy. Snipers require absolute consistancy in their rifles, so they know where that bb is going to go. You don't get that with AEGs or Gassers, unless the gas rifle is running on HPA. Subtle temperature differences, gas level in the mag, etc are all factors that mess up the consistancy of gas rifles.

And even upgraded, a bolt action sniper rifle will always be more accurate than an AEG, period. Vibrations from the motor, gears, piston, etc all send vibrations down the barrel, causing it to flex slightly in unpredictable directions, and send shots off target. With bolt action guns, you have one moving part, the piston. The piston goes in one direction, and causes a minimum of vibrations, keeping accuracy predictable.

This is why you see top end spring sniper rifles shooting 280'-300' accurately, and even the most upgraded AEG sniper rifles shooting maybe 250' accurately. I have only ever seen a heavily heavily upgraded PSG1 shooting at 580 fps, with a 6.01mm barrel, feeding .36g bbs hit a man sized target at 245'. Past that, the shots would go all over the place. The owner stated that he wasn't happy with it at all, because he had upwards of $800 in a rifle that gets outranged and has worse accuracy than someone with a spring sniper rifle who puts $500 into it.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 6:34 pm

For the Snipe, thats me:) I put a lot of money into it, but I am happy I can hit someone at 200ft since most snipers on the field only go about 150.

What about the TM VSR 10 being upgraded like crazy. My friends friend has that gun. I never airsofted with him. Would that beat my PSG1
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 6:54 pm

How crazy are the upgrades?
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 6:59 pm

It depends on the upgrades. Look at it this way:

Get an AEG and a springer with identical FPS and identical upgrades (not possible due to the differences in hop-ups, etc, but bear with me).

The springer will outperform the AEG, due to the lack of vibrations. It will have better accuracy at max range.

And if the sniper rifles on your field are only hitting 150', then they are crap sniper rifles. My MP5K PWD could hit that far accurately after adding only a tightbore barrel.

Shoot, even my $60 MB03 hits nearly 200' all day with no mods.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 7:09 pm

Unless you are a really hard core player and you are going to be spending huge amounts of money to make your sniper accurate, I would just get a good AEG and be a DM. The people I play with who have snipers just.... dont.... do well. Once one of them made an outstanding head shot and the target didn't even feel it lol. If you have your hart set on being a sniper, I would stay away from electrics and go for a good bolt-action rifle.

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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 7:13 pm

Crazy as it tightbore. Hopup. Spring. Bushings Buckings Springuide, Gears, Motor, Piston, Piston head. I probably can hit at 250. But the other snipers are going to be about 200- 250 since our snipers dont like to camp. Close in to about 200 ft hide get closer and take them out.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 10:38 pm

^What brand parts do you have? Just curious.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 10:50 pm

well this is just the responce i expected
so what is a good low priced(>150$) spring sniper rifle? not for me but some guy who wants to start playing with us, i could never camp id loose my mind with bordom
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:00 pm

In your price range:

Good:
UTG/TSD/Well L96

Better:
Well MB02/3/4

Best:
JG Bar-10
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:03 pm

Honest answer your are going to have to spend a little bit more to get a good sniper. You can get some crappy UTG or Kart, but like I said those are crappy. You could get a JG BAR-10 and upgrade it. But, no offense you seem like one of those guys who doesn't want/know how to upgrade a gun. I think that the MP-001 is compatable with VSR-10 parts but not positive on that one. If you are intrested in upgrading it here is a great guide (says TM VSR-10 but will work for JG BAR-10 too) http://www.matrixbb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1411 or if you get the G-Spec http://www.matrixbb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2592


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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:05 pm

I gave it to them and told them to put the best parts in it. I dont like to deal with it myself, since they are the professionals right
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:07 pm

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I gave it to them and told them to put the best parts in it. I dont like to deal with it myself, since they are the professionals right

It's still good to know what parts went into your gun. Rolling Eyes

Hate to say it, and don't be offended, but I bet you're an easy guy to rip off, lol...

This is why it's good to have knowledge about what parts are going into your gun. You can tell some directly what to put in. They may have told you that they put in "the best" parts, but they could have thrown in crap parts, and you would be none the wiser...

This is why I always work on my own guns. I know exactly what's going into my guns, and what they are supposed to be doing.

I suggest you go to your shop and ask what parts they put in. I'm curious to see what kind of stuff they think is "the best"...

If nothing else, I'm wondering how much money you've put into your PSG1. I have a friend building one, and he wants a good baseline.


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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:11 pm

i might try to do it if i decide to get the gun im not sure
and to booligan i spend weeks making sure i dont get ripped of checking every possible detail because i am an engineer that what i do but it still stands
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:12 pm

^lol, the "easy to rip off" remark was directed towards fdsakiller, not you, lol...
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:16 pm

srry Booligan i hope i did not offend you there were people yelling at me all day at a poultry show today so im a bit on the edge and whats a better sniper for under say 250$?
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:17 pm

You're getting into TM VSR territory when you look at $250 guns, but they will require a good bit of work before they're even shooting as hard or accurately as something like the Bar-10.

If I were you, I would start with the Bar-10, and then add upgrade parts to improve performance.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:21 pm

which brand is best for the bar-10? i see mostly JG
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:22 pm

JG is the only brand haha
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:23 pm

o man now i feel really dumb, lol
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:27 pm

No worries. Companied like Shorty and Evike like to give guns all kinds of random names, and it messes people up sometimes.

Yes, JG makes the Bar-10, in several configurations, and all for about $100-$120.
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:30 pm

wow that not bad for all the hype about it
and now for the reason i started this whole thread: i want an SL8 for a reasonable price, is this crazy?
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PostSubject: Re: AEG snipers?   Sat May 10, 2008 11:30 pm

Lol easy to rip off. Well I have had it for a couple of years, and it didnt break down. I thought you had one??
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