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RoboFURY
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PostSubject: Re: Back here again....   Back here again.... - Page 3 EmptySun Jun 01, 2008 4:11 am

The low or standard cap is 68 rounds not 90. And high caps hold 300 ( but you only want to put about 250 or they will jam) , believe me, I have researched the TMP90 to death over the last year!


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RoboFURY is right, its 68 rounds.

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Would a KWA be better to get than a TM P90?
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As I told you robo, this is your gun, you will have to live with the decision you make. If you like the P90 more, then get the P90. Just remember that upgrading TMs ruins the life span. (I don't know how much) Once you upgrade the TM, you won't have the famous TM reliability anymore.

I personally think a KWA would be better for you since you don't have experience upgrading guns and the KWAs gearboxes are as good if not better than Systema PTWs!

Just remember, if you like the looks of a gun more and you are getting a reputable brand, then go for it. You just have to know what you are getting in to when you choose such a unique weapon. (finding mags and parts is harder)

There really isn't a right or wrong answer. If you get a KWA when you like the P90 more, you will be satisfied with the KWA, but you will regret not getting the gun you like more. If you do not like any of the KWAs at all, then don't buy them just because they are better.


If you buy a KWA, you will end up spending less in the long run.

To upgrade a P90 with the necessary parts for an M110 spring costs about 70 bucks.

All you will need to replace on the KWA is the barrel and hop up which costs about 35-55 total. KWA comes with a high cap, so you won't need to buy extra mags. (P90 mags are like 50 bucks)

This is corny, but do what your heart is telling you Very Happy Go for the gun you feel best about.
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PostSubject: Re: Back here again....   Back here again.... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 4:29 pm

Yeah I have been thinking about that, I do like M4s, but the thing that really draws me to the KWA M4 is all the after market parts you can get apposed to the P90, and also the mags for the P90 like you have stated are so stinken expensive!
I would be happy with an KWA, I do like M4s. I just want to be sure if I am going to spend that much it better be better than a TM P90 lol.
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It is way better than the P90 other than accuracy and maybe range.
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First off, Stealth. it depends how many parts he is getting. If it is just a spring guide metal bushings, and a spring, that will cost $60, with a tappet plate though that will be $70. ($30 for labor)

The Systema PTWs have a odd gearbox. Since the point of the spring is totally eliminated, and is replaced by a cylinder.

The KWAs though have great gearboxes. It may not have the same lifespan as the TM but it will be close and STILL be shooting at 400.

Stealth, your corny line isnt corny Very Happy its very true. What gun feels right in your hand. what is confortable running with, holding up, aiming with. This all factors in. Length doesnt matter, because its a P90 and a m4.

The TM P90 is much easier to take apart, and it opens very quickly
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fdsakiller wrote:


The Systema PTWs have a odd gearbox. Since the point of the spring is totally eliminated, and is replaced by a cylinder.
Um, you know there is a spring inside that cylinder right? They just made everything into a nice clean, easy to change unit. You can do a similar setup with ICS ARs, but it's not as clean and easy.
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I do know, but it is not totally the same. It is switchable. It is not COMPLETELY the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Back here again....   Back here again.... - Page 3 EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 8:34 pm

If you read Chrimson Falcons review on the KWA M4, he says that the gearbox is as good if not better than the systema PTW. M4s are easy to take down also btw.

fdsakiller I don't see your point.......I said KWA is cheaper in the long run, hence mags being about half the price of P90 mags. Also, my price estimate is correct. If you buy all the necessary parts for upgrading a P90 which include, M110 spring, metal bushings, metal spring guide, and tappet plate, it comes out to $70 without shipping.

Last thing, I never said the KWAs gearboxes are LIKE the PTW, I said that they are as strong, if not stronger than the PTW gearbox.
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OK, I was doing some back up to your point. I said that the KWA m4 WILL surpass the Systema IMO since the systema IS over rated, but not overpriced. Since it is filled with sensors and everything.

For your price range go KWA if you really want to spend extra money, censored out the P90 and it will be better than a KWA.

The I miss read you. I thought you mean that they are LIKE. But KWA makes BEAST guns. They wont break easily.
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Thanks for your input fdsakiller, but I did not really understand you grammar, like at all (: . What the heck is "censored out the P90 and it will be better than a KWA" and "The I miss read you. I thought you mean that they are LIKE."

Booligan do you have anything to say about KWA ?
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I was talking to stealth about the stuff. and the sensors is what the SYSTEMA PTW is filled with


The P90 is great if you censored it out. the KWA is better if you do only a little upgrading. Plain and simple. But they have other versions of the M4 at AEX for KWA such as the railed ones. and CQB
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RoboFURY wrote:


Booligan do you have anything to say about KWA ?
It's supposed to be pretty good. I guess if you toss an 11.1v lipo that isn't the KWA recommended one in it, it has a tendency to start popping fuses and killing wiring, but other than that, it's supposed to be quite nice. I guess their pistons are more or less bulletproof, which is good if you're running super high ROF.

It should be a good choice.
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I don't think I will be putting in a lipo anytime soon. if at all that is.
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have you made a decision yet? Or have some idea on what gun you are going for?
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Stealth stop rushing me Very Happy .

Well it seems like a good purchase to me, I am going to go to my walk in store soon and I will test fire it then I will decide.
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sounds good
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If you want you might want to test fire the VFC AK that feels great to fire to.
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Thanks I will keep that in mind
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Just to tell you, I wnet today, and they are selling Chinese clones. I have never known that but they started selling them for a week. And they are fairly cheaper, like the A&K for 197 instead of 205 at airsoft gi, or the CYMA is 89 instead of 99.
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yeah I have know that for a while, but I don't want to get another Chinese clone. I am going tomorrow to see what they have. And to purchase my gun, ether a TMP90 or a KWA M4.
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fdsakiller wrote:
Just to tell you, I wnet today, and they are selling Chinese clones. I have never known that but they started selling them for a week. And they are fairly cheaper, like the A&K for 197 instead of 205 at airsoft gi, or the CYMA is 89 instead of 99.

while that was informative, this is a thread about "high end" guns Wink
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I was just checking to see if he is getting a high end brand because thats all they sell.

I guess chase woudnt do that
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fdsakiller wrote:
I was just checking to see if he is getting a high end brand because thats all they sell.

I guess chase woudnt do that

what? If you read his post, you would know he's buying a high end gun......... You just contradicted yourself
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