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theprodigy
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PostSubject: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:09 pm

I was looking into getting some grenades but there's nothing that really sticks out. The tornado's are supposed to be really good but they're a bit to high in price. I'm looking for something reusable that is really loud any reccomendations?
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:17 pm

If you want loud, but aren't worried about actually using BBs, then wait for the Madbull Powdershot one. It's pretty much a mock flashbang grenade.

For actual BB shooting grenade use, the Tornade really is the best option. The other ones are a total waste of money now.

I would save up and get a Tornado.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:17 pm

3 items: easter egg, fire cracker, and BB's.
The best part is that low quality can be used.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:41 pm

^Except most fields and ALL insurance carriers do not allow ANY pyrotechnic devices, including firecrackers.

Plus, in a lot of jurisdictions, they are illegal, and they can be dangerous due to burns, and the fact that it actually blows up with plastic schrapnel. I don't know about you, but I don't want a news story out because some idiot blew his finger off at an airsoft game, and more restrictions towards airsoft in general being put in place.

Basically, if it requires fire, it needs to stay out of airsoft. If it actually blows up, it needs to stay out of airsoft. If you want to play with pyro grenades, move to the UK. It's ok over there.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:27 pm

I'm sorry i added just an idea, I had a feeling it might be illegal.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:33 pm

Booligan wrote:
If you want loud, but aren't worried about actually using BBs, then wait for the Madbull Powdershot one. It's pretty much a mock flashbang grenade.
Dead on man thanks we don't need bb's to come out and the louder the better. I can't find any links to those do you have them?
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:58 pm

It's not out yet. Basically it's a solid aluminum cylinder and it uses CO2 to deliver a seriously loud bang. I saw it at SHOT show and was informed that several Police agencies are placing orders for them as Flashbang training tools.

No word on price or when they're coming out yet though, but here's a pic:


It's the black cylindrical one.

I'll give you more info when I find out more.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:56 pm

I've actually been brainstorming about this very thing for a while now.

Commercially available options aside I have decided that the commonly seen "easter egg grenade" has too many risks associated with it.

#1 is obviously the firecracker. A recent trip to my local fireworks store yielded a lot of different option and different power levels.
For me the worst case scenario is one going off in the hand or very near the eye or head in general. My testing showed that in some cases the firecrackers burned small but very distinct holes in most of the plastic that I used. While the easter egg may be tougher than the plastic I had on hand (Water bottles) the possibility of someone trying to throw back a lit grenade, breaking it in half and causing the firework to fall out and come in contact with the skin is too much of a risk.

My attention then turned to the alternatives. CO2 seemed to be the best option and I am still going to be working out the kinks, but I feel that a device could be rigged to use a delay mechanism to propel, bbs, and or flour or baby powder out at sufficient velocity to saturate the target area.

For me a bang is nice but I want more than that. Seeing someone covered or at least partially covered in flour or smelling of baby powder will help to re-enforce the hit and provide proof.

Basically, I was thinking of a simple "Pull pin" valve release mechanism, combined with a a burst disc or a baloon to provide the delay . It would be simple, a two chambered device that contains the CO2 powerlet and the second that contains the bbs/flour.

Making it work is of course the trick, but I will be working on it.

well see how it goes.

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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:58 pm

One other possibility that I have seen tried is a chemical reaction.

I.e. baking soda and vinegar or lime juice. even a "mentos/diet coke" grenade may be viable...well have to see.

Its not a bad option, but a bit messy and I am hesitant to risk the liquid coming in contact with the more expensive electronics that are used on the field.

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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:17 pm

Actually i have tryed some of these before my airsoft days and i found an ok way to make smoke grenades:
1.Place a bunch of baby powder/flour/what ever you have at hand in a dixie cup.
2.Cover the top of the dixie cup with tinfoil.
3.Poke holes in the tinfoil.
4.Throw the hole contraption and usually a decent sized plume of white "smoke" will come out.
Baking soda and vinegar (warning pressure bomb)
1.Take another dixie cup or something similar and add a reasonably small amount of vinegar.
2.Add a bunch of BB's(low quality) to the vinegar.
3.Wrap up some baking soda in plastic wrap but keep the top open.
4.When ready to use place the baking soda or "charge" in the container of vinegar, shake and throw.
5.It should, when the vinegar and baking soda mix create an "explosion" and propel the BB's outward.
I know that these have some kinks and i plan to work them out now that my interest has been sparked. I'll post my results and changes by about next Wednesday if I have the time which is looking sketchy.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:41 pm

I think anything homemade is probably a bad idea ,so I would stick too company made products unless you really know what your doing.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:58 pm

Wheres your innovative spirit? Well I guess you have a larger wallet than I do.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:49 pm

I know this is a little off, but in the future I would like to explore this possibility in the form of an RPG.
Current RPG launchers are just big tubes that shoot madbull or similar grenades. (meaning, a big swarm of bb's). But really I'd like to see that idea combined with something like a low pressure "spud gun". Not necessairly the same design, and obviously very low pressure, but a miniture air pressurized (not combustion) launcher that throws a nerf football or something, that contains smoke, or even a shell that would shoot bb's in a wide area, upon impact. I'll think about that later.

As for grenades, I have attempted those firecracker grenades, and I found that they didn't work at all. I was extremely precautious, as I saw a few videos on youtube about it, and I thought it might just work. Well, the firecracker went off, and the bb's went no where. Plus, I hate anything involving flames/combustion, so I dropped that idea. Still thinking of a practical design at the moment...

I would also be interested in actually making a smoke grenade, but the only option I can think of is using Potassium nitrate, which involves lighting a wick. And I don't like fire. This is actually a design that works, but I stay away from it since it requires fire. But I may build one of these with some nicrome wire as a test. That would be interesting.

I'll post that up if that goes anywhere. I had tested it before, and it worked, but I would like to make a new design, and I need to get some nicrome wire Razz. And the electronics would be kept simple. I can't go throwing my microcontrollers into EVERYTHING.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:06 pm

Well, here are two simple Nerf launchers I built:
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=45630.0
http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=56134.0
Can't get much simpler than these.
No outside pressure sources, no pressurized PVC (which is extremely dangerous), and it's simple to reload and fire again.
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PostSubject: Re: Airsoft Grenades?   Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:44 pm

As for the Baking powder thing Kapowwe already makes one of those.
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