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PostSubject: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:36 am

I do all my own custom upgrades and work.

CA CA8-2 SL8-2 SASS 440 fps
-Dean's connectors
-#14 Home Depot O-Ring
-Echo 1/JG G36C carry handle rail
-Leapers 3-9x40 rubberized red/green illuminated scope.















Echo 1/JG G36C (loaner gun) 330 fps~ at 16 rps
-Dean's connectors
-Moded to fit 9.6v minis
-Numbered short RIS rail

TSD/SRC G36KA2 Gen II (Non-RAS, Polymer Edition) 390 fps~ at 23 rps
-Long RIS rail
-Knights Armament vertical grip
-D-Boys black modular rail covers
-Prometheus 363mm 6.03 tight bore barrel
-Systema Hop Up Bucking
-Element H nub
-Multi-reticule panoramic red dot sight
-King Arms black 1pt sling
-G&P G36 retractable/folding KV stock
-Elite 9.6v 1500mah Nunchuck Battery
-Deans's connectors
-AWS micro mosfet
-Guarder G36 air nozzle (non bore up)
-Element piston head with bearings
-Guarder standard polycarb piston.
-Sorbothane cylinder head buffer pad
-PDI 150% spring
-G&P M120 High Speed Motor (short)
-Element standard ratio flat gears
-Element sector gear clip
-Low resistance silver coated, telfon insulated mil spec 16awg wiring











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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:46 pm

Nice gun, I'm going to get a SRC G36K too.

I plan to put in it

Edgi 6.01mm barrel
Element or madbull H nub
Eventually, a Guarder SP120 FTK. (I'll most likely keep the stock spring, to keep me at or under 400 fps)
I might eventually re-wire to deans, but right now, it's not convenient.

Do you like the reflex sight? (I'm considering getting one)

Also, is it hard to install a Mosfet?


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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:43 pm

Yes, so far it has been the best red dot sight i have ever used before (much better than the leapers rds and etc). The reticle is plenty bright, and the adjustments stay where they are set pretty well. The only thing is that there is a tiny bit of ghosting/glare, but that is about it.

MOSFETS are quite simple if there is plenty of room, and if you know basic soldering/gearbox skills.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:40 am

How is the battery life? It takes those "giant watch" batteries right? (IDK what they are called lol)

I'm okay with a soldering iron. Do you need to open up the gearbox? (doesn't really mater, I plan on upgrading it anyway) The wiring on my E1 G36C is on the outside of the gearbox. If I keep the wiring to the front, do you think there will be enough room? I don't plan on getting a battery stock anytime soon. I personally like the look of the Skeleton stock better.

also, do you have a guide for switching to mosfets and deans?

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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:26 am

Battery life? Dang, these batteries last almost forever if you don't accidentally leave it on when you are not using it. And yeah, they take the large, flat lithium CR3023 batteries.

Well, I guess you CAN solder mosfets from the outside of a V3, but it will be pretty tricky. It is much easier to open the gearbox shell, and just work with the trigger box. There should be enough room if you get one of the small mosfets. It will be cramped, but I am pretty sure it will fit.

Deans: Just watch some instructional videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZU9rtACdZY
(Tip: Make sure you cut your wires ONE AT A TIME on your battery, or else you will short circuit it and blow it up like OvermedicateD. lol)

Mosfets: Just desolder one of the wires attached to the trigger contact, and solder it directly on the other. Then take the blue gate wire and solder it to the now empty trigger contact. The other end of the mosfet should have a red and a black wire. those lead to the battery. If you need more help, read the diagram that may or may not come with your mosfet unit, or you can just look on the internet.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:00 am

okay thanks man

do you think switching to deans is worth it? (I would need to solder on deans to a smart charger, 2 guns, and 2 batteries Razz)

I only plan to run a 9.6v, do you think a Mosfet is worth it? Do you have a type that you recommend? I know it increases trigger response and slightly ups the rof, (1-2 rps I believe) but it is somewhat of a hassle.

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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:27 pm

Stealthmasterairsoft14 wrote:
okay thanks man

do you think switching to deans is worth it? (I would need to solder on deans to a smart charger, 2 guns, and 2 batteries Razz)

In my opinion, it is definitely worth it, stan will tell you the same thing, we both have deaned all of our guns and bats and chargers.

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I only plan to run a 9.6v, do you think a Mosfet is worth it? Do you have a type that you recommend? I know it increases trigger response and slightly ups the rof, (1-2 rps I believe) but it is somewhat of a hassle.

For a 9.6v, it is not really too necessary unless you are thinking way ahead for the longevity of the AEG's electrical contacts. On the other hand, if you are looking for an easy and not too expensive way to increase ROF, a mosfet is not a bad option at all.

Personally, I would go with the Advanced Wargame System mosfet unit. I had one, and sold it to stan, which you see in one of his pics. It is very small, is well made, and will last you a lifetime.

http://www.awsairsoft.com/index.php?page=micro&menu=products

AWS is out of stock at the moment, but once Psyphyer gets their new series of units on the road they should be back in stock on the microfet unit.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:39 pm

Stealthmasterairsoft14 wrote:
okay thanks man

do you think switching to deans is worth it? (I would need to solder on deans to a smart charger, 2 guns, and 2 batteries Razz)

I only plan to run a 9.6v, do you think a Mosfet is worth it? Do you have a type that you recommend? I know it increases trigger response and slightly ups the rof, (1-2 rps I believe) but it is somewhat of a hassle.

thanks for all the help

Like OmD said, definitely. It's a very small investment to make, but well worth it. It should not take very long at all to put them on.

8.4v-9.6v, mosfets are still pretty much optional. But I have seen a good amount of trigger contact wear on my G36C after using a 9.6v for a long time without mosfets (still works though). 10.8v and up, you pretty much have to get a mosfet to keep your gun running reliable.
If you can solder, have the room in your gun, and don't mind a lil bit of work, then yes, mosfets are another easy and cheap investment (unless you are getting fancy mosfets with burst fire and etc. those can get quite expensive.)
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:08 pm

I'm not terrible with a solder, but I'm not amazing with one either. I'm getting the hang of it though. Smile

I'll probably eventually swap the tamiyas for deans. As far as the ROF bump with the Mosfet, that really doesn't matter, I'm more concerned with reliability. I can always get this if they burn out.
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=1632

Thanks for the help.

So do you like the externals on the G36K? Some people have suggested I get a STAR since you can get them for like 240, but I feel a little cautious about them. The quick spring change feature sure is nice though.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:23 pm

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I'm not terrible with a solder, but I'm not amazing with one either. I'm getting the hang of it though. Smile

I'll probably eventually swap the tamiyas for deans. As far as the ROF bump with the Mosfet, that really doesn't matter, I'm more concerned with reliability. I can always get this if they burn out.
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=1632

Thanks for the help.

So do you like the externals on the G36K? Some people have suggested I get a STAR since you can get them for like 240, but I feel a little cautious about them. The quick spring change feature sure is nice though.
Well, if you think about it, a small mosfet is cheaper than an entire new wire set =P.
Yes, the material TSD/SRC uses now is amazing. No more shinny plastic. You get a nice matte black nylon fiber polymer which is actually lighter than abs, but very strong and feels nice.
From what I heard, Star aegs have the best plastic external bodies on the internet...but there are some bad things about Star. The quick spring switch is quite cool but handy, but in general, the internals are pretty crappy for a high end.
For more information http://airsoft-barracks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8430
Both the SRC and the STAR guns are very nice. It will just be your decision to choose.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:37 am

Good point. They do seem confusing, but maybe when I am in the process of installing one, it might be easier. If I get the Guarder FTK, I will definitely get a mosfet and deans. (might as well since I'm going to be taking down everything anyway) Do you have any experience on the Guarder SP120 FTKs or Guarder FTKs in general?

Yeah, I'm set on the SRC. This one dude on ASF/ASR is always saying how STARs have great internals and externals. They don't seem so hot to me. (as far as the internals go ha ha) Overall, the SRC has nicer features such as two high caps (I plan to use STAR midcaps, but still nice) metal hop up unit, and rails on the foregrip.

Thanks for the help. Feels kinda funny how I'm asking advice from a new member. (Something about the whole "I have more posts than you thing" lol) My 700+ posts makes me feel like a noob when I'm talking to you ha ha
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:51 am

Stealthmasterairsoft14 wrote:
Good point. They do seem confusing, but maybe when I am in the process of installing one, it might be easier. If I get the Guarder FTK, I will definitely get a mosfet and deans. (might as well since I'm going to be taking down everything anyway) Do you have any experience on the Guarder SP120 FTKs or Guarder FTKs in general?

Yeah, I'm set on the SRC. This one dude on ASF/ASR is always saying how STARs have great internals and externals. They don't seem so hot to me. (as far as the internals go ha ha) Overall, the SRC has nicer features such as two high caps (I plan to use STAR midcaps, but still nice) metal hop up unit, and rails on the foregrip.

thanks for the help. Feels kinda funny how I'm asking advice from a new member. (Something about the whole "I have more posts than you thing" lol) My 700+ posts makes me feel like a noob when I'm talking to you ha ha
The Guarder FTKS? Well, I haven't got one before. I am actually planning to get a SP150 kit for a CA8-2 in the future...They seem pretty nice to me though. I will probably have to do some mods to get it to fit though, cause I heard that some TM compatible things may not fit CA gearbox shells perfectly...

For the SRC metal hop up, you may have some problems with aftermarket barrels and buckings (I found out the hard way). When I bought the Prometheus tightbore, I also bought a soft Prometheus bucking. When I installed it, it seemed that the SRC hop up chamber was just a TAD narrower than regular ones, so the gun would only shoot in either a Prometheus barrel - stock bucking or stock barrel with Prometheus bucking combination. I kept with the tightbore barrel and stock bucking, and sold the prometheus bucking.

Ahhh, don't worry about it. I was actually on this forum a long time ago, and stopped...and I guess now I am back? I still remember a bunch of people from this forum (including you). It's a shame that there isnt as many people on as before though...(wow, im on a tangent now)
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:43 pm

ha ha yeah

I didn't know that about the SRC. I guess I'll get a systema bucking and a prometheus bucking since systema buckings are usually smaller. (that way if one doesn't work, I have an extra) I can always swap out the metal hop up unit for my E1 and swap magwells......... (I doubt the E1 hop up is as good though ha ha)

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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:23 pm

Stealthmasterairsoft14 wrote:
ha ha yeah

I didn't know that about the SRC. I guess I'll get a systema bucking and a prometheus since systema buckings are usually smaller. I can always swap out the metal hop up unit for my E1 and swap magwells......... (I doubt the E1 hop up is as good though ha ha)

thanks and I think I fainlty remember you. just faintly though lol

Just be careful, systema buckings are infamous for swelling up.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:47 am

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Stealthmasterairsoft14 wrote:
ha ha yeah

I didn't know that about the SRC. I guess I'll get a systema bucking and a prometheus since systema buckings are usually smaller. I can always swap out the metal hop up unit for my E1 and swap magwells......... (I doubt the E1 hop up is as good though ha ha)

thanks and I think I fainlty remember you. just faintly though lol

Just be careful, systema buckings are infamous for swelling up.
swelling up?


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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:00 pm

Yeah, what do you mean by "swelling up?" Increasing in size, what?

I'm considering getting the 6.03 Edgi barrel instead since we play in a rather "dirty" environment and since I use full auto quite a bit. Do you think I should get that over a Laylax barrel? (AKA Prometheus lol)
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:55 pm

I might be thinking of my guarder one? But when I went to take it out, it was so inflated that I could not get it out w/o ripping it...
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:42 pm

newbatairsoft wrote:
I might be thinking of my guarder one? But when I went to take it out, it was so inflated that I could not get it out w/o ripping it...
i still dont understand what you mean...
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:18 am

hmm...Imagine a balloon inflating, it was like that. I don't have the slightest as to why it did that...but it was a waste of 7 dollars...I'm now a prometheus hop up bucking fan boy...that along with the (element's) h-hop have produced great results for me.


How do you like that G&P turbo motor? I just bought the matrix turbo, but I might also get this one too. Where did you get it from?
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:08 am

I'd say I am very satisfied with the G&P motor. It may not have the uber speeds of a systema turbo or a guarder high speed revolution, but it lasts longer, is more efficient, has slightly more torque, much more quieter, and is very cheap. i ordered mine off of ehobbyasia. i get all of my gear, accessories, and parts there.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:30 pm

I installed a Systema bucking. Fitted perfectly, as compared to my Prometheus one. Now my fps increased by 5, and it is much more consistent (less fps deviation per shot). I should also see a range increase next game.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:16 am

Shween. I've decided to get an Edgi barrel. I was debating between the prometheus, but I think I will go for a 6.03mm edgi. Those suckers are supposed to be close in performance to a PDI, but are half the price. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:31 pm

Im getting a Prometheus we can compare results and confirm which is better.
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:22 pm

birchenboy wrote:
Im getting a Prometheus we can compare results and confirm which is better.

Unfortunately that won't work because the tests will be inconsistent because of the different environments, different guns, different barrel lengths, different buckings, etc. (not to mention we would have to conduct the same procedures)
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PostSubject: Re: Stan Salad's G36KA2 and G36C   Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:18 am

I understand...what do you mean by different barrel lengths? you are getting a standered 247mm barrel right?
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