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Pyro0073
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PostSubject: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 2:13 am

Okay, well I will seem like the really dumb person to get on here and ask this, but I feel it is important to know as I am getting a gas gun. I am getting the HFC M9 GBB pistol. It comes with two magazines, one running off of CO2 the other running off of green gas.

Now for the questions:
(1) Is CO2 more powerful than green gas or green gas more powerful CO2? Or is there not even a difference?

(2) Im hearin about red gas, can this be used for green gas? is there a difference?

(3) Is there other types of gases?

(4) In the long-run which is more expensive?

(5) Which is better for the gun?

(6) What do you personally recommend?
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 2:35 am

1.)CO2 tends to be more powerful, but its more of a matter of the gun, instead of the gas, that determines FPS.

2.)Red Gas, is basically Green Gas after 30 Red Bulls and 20 Monsters. If you have a plastic slide on your gun, it will break after your first shot with this gas

3.)There is HFC134a which is a low powered gas, that most Japanese gas guns are made for.


4.)In the long run, Green Gas will be much more expensive


5.)Green gas is probably better for the gun, because it lubes the barrel each time you fire.

6.)I would recommend propane, because it is very cheap and with a 30$ adapter, you can be on your way.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 3:00 am

No problem, if it is full metal you could take the chance, but I wouldn't, Red Gas gives you so much unnecessary power, it is not worth it.

Propane does not lube your gun like Green gas, so you will probably have to lube the gun with silicone oil every skirmish.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 5:39 am

1. propane is dangerous (and it'll make you gun smell permanently)

2. you still have to lube the gun when using propane.

i think its best you just stick with the Green gas, or the C02.

3. C02 is easier to refill

4. but still requires lube

green gas and C02 generally cost around the same for the same ammount of oz.

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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 1:54 pm

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green gas and C02 generally cost around the same for the same ammount of oz

False, I could get 1000ML, or 33 ounces of Green Gas for 10-15$, when I could get a 25 pack of 12ounce CO2 catridges, for 15$

12ounces=8872 ML

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propane is dangerous (and it'll make you gun smell permanently)

1 of my friends uses a KWA M9, and he uses propane with the adapter, and his gun barely smells. Propane dangerous? With the adapter on, its harmless.

Lubing is not that hard of a task anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 2:33 pm

It seems that recently bottles of green gas and red gas have become harder to find online due to shipping issues with the canisters. I liked using it because it has silicone oil mixed with it so I didnt have to worry so much about oiling my gun and it didnt smell at all (plus the red gas tacked on a lot more fps). Propane will smell bad, esp. with a GBB gun which releases more of the gas into the air, so I would only use it outside. However, propane is cheap and you can get canisters of it in any hardware store or place that has a camping/grilling department. This and C02 would be most economical.

Lubrication: http://www.airsplat.com/N_372.htm
This shows you a good diagram of the spots you need to lube. If you're not sure how to take down a gun, just follow the guns instructions on how to take off the slide. DONT manually release the extra gas in the magazine though, this will corrode your seals and damage the clip. I store all my gas mags with a very small amt of gas in them so the seals stay closed and dont take in any dust/dirt, etc. In fig. 6, see that little silver nub they are pointing at? You need to depress that(without gas in the mag) and THEN shoot some silicone oil into the release well (the other thing they are pointing at). This opens the seal and allows the oil to lubricate everything better. Then shoot a tiny amount around the nub you depressed. The other diagrams show you the other spots plainly enough. I would also shoot a short shot into the barrel itself. When you're done just wipe off any excess oil. Just dont go nuts and overlube your gun. If you do it will be messy and might even affect the performance of the pistol.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 3:55 pm

OvermedicateD wrote:
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green gas and C02 generally cost around the same for the same ammount of oz

False, I could get 1000ML, or 33 ounces of Green Gas for 10-15$, when I could get a 25 pack of 12ounce CO2 catridges, for 15$

12ounces=8872 ML

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propane is dangerous (and it'll make you gun smell permanently)

1 of my friends uses a KWA M9, and he uses propane with the adapter, and his gun barely smells. Propane dangerous? With the adapter on, its harmless.

Lubing is not that hard of a task anyway.

I said generally on the first part... The only way you can use the propane is with the adapter, and that does not make it harmless. The only thing the adapter does is release the gas into the magazine. How long has your friend been using propane?

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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 3:58 pm

Since early August, he got the gun in late June, and when I found out about the adapter, I told him to get one, and he did.

It doesn't smell that bad, because we play in an open area, and it normally has a nice breeze(got to love SD).

We have had no problems with it, the only con I would say is that the propane tank is big.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 3:59 pm

Na, I play with a guy who uses propane and it doesn't smell to bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 4:04 pm

hmm i read in a review or two that the persons gun smelled everytime he fired it and after... i have a feeling the person did inside CQB.

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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptySun Sep 23, 2007 6:33 pm

Just a note on RED gas:
There have been reports on WNYAL.net forums, that a number of sites selling red gas, which has shown to just be re-labeled green gas. Be careful where you get it from, it may just be regular ol' propane in there.

Since it (the forum thread I originally posted this in) was deleted, let me say this again:
Propane = C3H8 = Green gas - silicone oil.

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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 3:21 pm

Red gas is most commonly used in high fps snipers.

Do not use it in a pistol
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 7:07 pm

lol I have an L96...not gas (man!). lol I am so happy that I finally got my AUG and M9....they rock but I am charging my battery. The M9 has quite some kick......

but does anyone still know if the HFC M9 GBB pistol can use red gas?
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 7:12 pm

If it has a metal slide, and pretty solid metal construction, standard green gas will be compatible.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 7:49 pm

wait did you like typo and say "standard green gas will be compatible," or did you really mean red gas? cause lol I know green gas will work
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 7:56 pm

Green Gas will work!

Red Gas, I wouldn't try it!
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 7:56 pm

I keep telling him this, he wont listen to me.


Just use CO2
Use green gas if you want
NEVER USE RED GAS
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 8:04 pm

OvermedicateD and Senor Awesome....I listen to both of you and take your suggestions and opinions on airsoft very seriously....I listened to you senor but I would like to get other views on the matter and just FIND OUT if I could use red gas.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 8:25 pm

ok, well, anyway, no you cant... just dont do it
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyMon Sep 24, 2007 8:34 pm

k, thanks very much guys
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyTue Sep 25, 2007 1:29 am

I've been using red gas in my WE Dragon for the past three years and I've never has a problem. If you use it in a gun with all metal construction I dont think it will mess the gun up. If it's a metal slide with plastic frame, etc. then I would think twice, but if your gun is the full metal version I'd say its fine. I also have 3 different friends who all use red gas in their all metal pistols and they have also never had anything break, loosen, or anything. The only drawback is that red gas is typically dry so you'd have to lube your mag seals and gun yourself. If you dont really NEED the extra fps and a bit more range then just go with green gas and save the money. Red gas shouldnt harm a full metal pistol though unless you overfill the mag or misuse it in some way. I'm saying this from my own personal experience and from what I have read in other forums in the past, so take this as such.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyTue Sep 25, 2007 8:55 am

Thanks for the help! Although I dont really need the extra fps, I just wanted to know if I could use it. About how much more power is added on to it? Like how much more fps?
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyTue Sep 25, 2007 1:40 pm

I have heard it adds about 50 fps.

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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyTue Sep 25, 2007 4:53 pm

It depends on the gun's efficiency, the slide weight (if its a blowback), the brand of the gas, etc. but I'd say 40-50 is a good estimate. This is obviously a large power jump for a pistol, so unless the gun is all metal I would hesitate on red gas. One pro I forgot to mention about red gas though is that it ups the kick of the blowback by a lot. My WE Dragon has about the same kick as the real steel 1911 with red gas, which makes it more fun to shoot in the field.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Gases?   Different Gases? EmptyTue Sep 25, 2007 6:43 pm

that is awesome! but if anyone really does know if you can use red gas in an HFC M9 than I would appreciate this....I only want to use it for that kick
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