2008 G&G line

^I think if any gun NEEDS blowback, it would be a PTW, as it is designed to be a training weapon. A little recoil is just what a proper training weapon needs. I think that Systema is going to be pushed aside as the training tool of choice as more high end companies make more realistic replicas that function more like the real guns, while Systema still makes more of the same thing that they've been making for years... Shoot, the PTW just got cloned by a Chinese company, so I think they're slowly on the way out the door, lol.

Anywho, here are pics of the TT MP5s:

Standard MP5



Wacky MP5 with RIS forend, and UMP style stock... Odd...

I think Systema should make a Machine gun, and a P90, also what thing did they copy from a chinese company?

BOT
Thats pretty Sick!

fdsakiller wrote:

also what thing did they copy from a chinese company?

They didn't copy anything from a Chinese company, a Chinese company made an exact clone of the Systema PTW.
Read: http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=59695.0

And I don't forsee Systema doing anything new other than the MP5 and the drop in "Revolution" gearbox in the near future. They won't make a machine gun or P90 as not many police departments have LMGs or use P90s. Their primary focus is making replicas of guns that PO and SWAT officers use on a daily basis, such as M4s, M16s, and MP5s, for training purposes. Very rarely (almost nonexistant actually) do major PDs use anything but those guns. If anything, I would expect Systema to release an M500 or 870 style shotgun training weapon, as pretty much every police officer uses one.

When I talked to Systema at SHOT, they were actually upset when I mentioned that people play wargames with Systemas. They were very hard headed in the fact that they were not for game use, and for training only. They were actually kind of douchebags about the whole thing. Sure made me like Systema a lot less, that's for sure...

Booligan wrote:

Anywho, here are pics of the TT MP5s:

Standard MP5



Wacky MP5 with RIS forend, and UMP style stock... Odd...

Ok so basically they are TT mechboxes in G&G AEGs.

BTW, that MP5 with the UMP stock has been in the G&G catalog for quite awhile now, I agree though, it is wacky looking


Also, the Celcius PTW seems to be all vapor to me, until we can get some real hard evidence, im not really buying.

^Not quite. Top-Tech IS G&G. They made a seperate brand to put all of their blowback AEGs in, in order to create less confusion, as they already have 3 levels in their normal AEG lineup (Plastica, normal, veteran in some cases).

They are specially designed around the blow back gearbox. They are also working on a V3 version of the blow back gearbox, so you should expect AKs and more in the next year or so.

As for the Celcius being vaporware, it may be, but honestly, the Systema system isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. It is an entirely cloneable system.

Yeah it is, but the clones will still be around 250 with the interchangable cylinders

fdsakiller wrote:

Yeah it is, but the clones will still be around 250 with the interchangable cylinders

^They've said it will be about $500, but still, less than half the price of the Systema.

Yeah, it will probably be the "High end" clone

With the TT blowback system, since it is technically "short stroking the piston", does it have the same effects as shortstroking a piston by taking off teeth, and taking teeth of the sector gear would?

No. It isn't short stroking the piston. You still get normal FPS and ROF.

I was saying that they essentially made a "Short stroke piston operated system", in reference to real firearm terminology, not the airsoft version of a short stroked piston.

gotcha. Those BB systems look like crazy fun.

But still wouldnt these BB systems still take up more battery...

No. They have no more electrical strain than any other normal gearbox.

The ones with a heavy bolt attached directly to the piston cause more wear and battery use, because of the physics involved in making that heavy bolt move. Since this uses the same air that propels the bb, there is no additional wear, or battery suck. The battery wouldn't even know that the system is there.

Wow thats the sick type of blowback that they should put in a systema.

It wouldnt work, i dont think. Anyway theyd have to re-design stuff, and then charge you all your limbs for the new gun.

Or I can get some money and sell the old systema..... Well, more like a whole new system connected to the systema cylinder, which will make a blowback action. But then that may make it so you cannot change the cylinders,

It would require a ton of expensive custom work. The gearbox is totally different than a Systema system.

I know its a little OT...but, i was wondering what kind of BB system that VFC is using in their newer AK's, such as the PMC.
Would you happen to know booligan?

^As far as I know, it's a solid connection, piston connected to bolt. Leads to bad battery life, low ROF, and exponentially more gearbox wear.

^That still wont deter me from getting the VFC AIMS, its too cool.

Or while we are on topic, maybe the G&G AIMS once it comes out.